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after class…

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does God hate?

We spent quite a bit of time on this question of whether God, who is love, is capable of hate. 

We covered all the usual cliches, (which are cliche for a reason!) such as “hate the sin, love the sinner.”  We talked about how human hate is almost always grounded in fear (acknowledged or unacknowledged) and that 1 John 4 says, right after saying God is love, that “perfect love casts out fear.”

So…hate is grounded in fear, perfect love casts out fear, and God is love.  It would seem that hate is not part of God’s makeup!

But then what to do with all these scripture passages?

Deut. 12.31: You must not worship the LORD your God in their way, because in worshiping their gods, they do all kinds of detestable things the LORD hates. They even burn their sons and daughters in the fire as sacrifices to their gods.

Deut. 16.21-22  Do not set up any wooden Asherah pole beside the altar you build to the LORD your God, and do not erect a sacred stone, for these the LORD your God hates.

Psalm 5.5  The arrogant cannot stand in your presence; you hate all who do wrong.

Psalm 11.5  The LORD examines the righteous, but the wicked and those who love violence his soul hates.

Proverbs 6.16-19  There are six things the LORD hates, seven that are detestable to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked schemes, feet that are quick to rush into evil, a false witness who pours out lies, and a man who stirs up dissension among brothers.

Isaiah 1.14 Your festivals and your appointed feasts my soul hates. They have become a burden to me; I am weary of bearing them.

Isaiah 61.8 For I, the LORD, love justice; I hate robbery and iniquity.

Amos 5.21 I hate, I despise your religious feasts; I cannot stand your assemblies.

Zechariah 8.17 do not plot evil against your neighbor, and do not love to swear falsely. I hate all this,” declares the LORD.

Malachi 2.16 I hate divorce,” says the LORD God of Israel, “and I hate a man’s covering himself with violence as well as with his garment,” says the LORD Almighty.

 

Those are all the instances in a quick search for “hate” that turned up where God does the hating.  There are 118 more that are about people hating each other, hating God, etc.  Using just these passages, “hate the sin, love the sinner” doesn’t seem to completely apply either.  Yes, God appears to hate actions that hurt others and that worship other gods, but the psalmist suggests that God hates the people who do hurt also.  And then there are the “I hate your festivals” which are usually followed up with some variation of “this people honors me with their lips but their hearts are far from me” and then a catalog of social injustices perpetuated even while festivals/sacrifice continue.

So…does God hate?  Can God hate?  Is it possible for perfect love to hate?

It would be hard to argue that God has fear, not only because perfect love casts out fear but also because of the question: of what would God have cause to be afraid?  And we have to acknowledge that, though it doesn’t often happen this way in humans, it is possible for hate to not be rooted in fear.  So there could be hate, it seems.  (we don’t want to go making God in our own image, after all–so it is conceivable that God could hate without fear….and equally conceivable that God doesn’t hate, or that God hates things we would never think of hating.  Anne Lamott says we know we’ve made God in our own image when God hates all the same people we do.)

A new problem:  none of these reference are New Testament.  There’s not a single instance of Jesus or Paul using a word that gets translated as “hate” when applied to God.  There’s plenty of hate going on, as in “the world hates you, but it hated me first” and “no one can serve two masters–he will either hate the one and love the other…” but no instances of God hating anything.  It also does not appear that Jesus hated–he got angry, sure, he was disappointed, sure, he was frustrated or upset or even anxious, but there was no hate.  Even at the last, on the cross, no hate–only forgiveness and compassion.  Since, as Christians, the first place we are to look when we want to know what God is like is to Christ, this seems significant.  God chose to reveal Godself to us in Jesus, and what we see there is love and compassion overcoming hate and fear and death.

So…I’ve not answered a single question, I’m sure.  But what do you think?  Does God hate?  What does God hate?  Who?  Why?  And what does that mean for us?

photo by fr@ns, from flickr

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bible in 90 days: thanks!

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Friends, I love being in class with you all.  I may have played Buffy Quote Hangman during New Testament Survey in seminary (I read, and I listened…I just also multitasked) but you all keep me thinking and engaged and I love it!  Thank you for being such interesting and engaging people, willing to grapple with tough issues and to be vulnerable about what you think, feel, and believe.  It’s not easy to put out there some of the stuff we talk about, but you do it.  Thanks.

(I loved class tonight, can you tell?  I’m definitely in the midst of an adrenaline rush right now!!)

Jerusalem on the 3rd century mosaic map of the holy land at St. George’s church in Madaba, Jordan (famous for mosaics!).  Notice the Greco-Roman style colonnade down the center–a perfectly straight street running through the city.  cool!  photo by TCP

after class

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After tonight’s Bible in 90 Days class, I realized I think a lot more things than we can discuss in an hour… about what the Bible is, what it means to be a Christian, and how we relate then to people who believe and live out their beliefs differently than we do.

We spent a lot of time talking about whether, if we believe in the God we see in the Bible then can we still respect people who believe differently?  And I suggested that it’s possible, and indeed that as monotheists we claim, that there is in fact only one God, but different ways of understanding/being in relationship with God.  Some choose the way we do, some choose the Hindu way or the Muslim way or the Buddhist way or the atheist way or the just-go-through-life-however way.  But if we claim there’s only one God, then…well, there’s only one God. The challenge of being a Christian is to be in relationship with God as we see God revealed first in Christ and second in the rest of Scripture, and third in the world and our experience.

The problem, of course, is that it seems so arrogant, the “traditional” way of saying “I believe in the real God and you don’t because your scripture is different.”  As finite human beings, it is not possible for us to understand God or even really to contemplate all the hugeness of God’s mystery.  We have to go on faith that there are things about God we don’t get, but we serve God anyway.  We keep climbing though the mountaintop is shrouded in clouds 99.99% of the time.  

But here’s what I know to be true, for me.  (notice that was a small-t true, not True…because that falls back into “things that are bigger than my brain.”)  I know that the God I know in Christ, the God revealed in the stories of God’s relationship with people throughout time, is True, keeps promises, is faithful even when I’m not, and is worthy of being in relationship with.  Like Dan, I have seen (both in my life and in the lives of others) the difference in the way life is lived when a person is in relationship with God.  I also believe that the stories we have of people’s relationships with God, and God’s relationships with people, are beautiful and wonderful (even when they’re horrible) and that they show us something of who God is and who we are created to be.  They give us little glimpses of the kingdom (or of what the kingdom is NOT, sometimes!) and they call us to help build the kingdom of God on earth, not to just sit back and wait until we die to get beyond the cloudcap.  We read these stories again and again because they form us again and again–they aren’t stagnant, they are living both on the page and in our lives.  WE are the covenant community, and we read these stories to see how it’s been done before and to imagine how God might be calling us to do it in the future.  Does that mean other people and their stories and understandings of God are wrong?  I don’t think so–partially because the Bible is pretty clear that humility is a good thing, that knowing our limitations of understanding is a good thing, that not judging is a good thing.  What it does mean is that we have stories of our faith ancestors, we have relationships with the covenant community both past and present, and we have a relationship with a faithful, promise-keeping, love-and-justice-together-equal-grace God who calls us to be a faithful covenant community now, to offer the world glimpses of what God wants the world to be like.  What’s not beautiful about that?